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Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.08 23:18:00 - [1] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 08/06/2008 23:18:53 Originally by: Storm Strike The pilgrim is fine . I know you all want to nano it and zoom around nueting people so how about flying a curse instead. How about we remove range bonuses from ALL the other force recons? I know you all want to zoom around and web, ecm and WD people from range and nano it. How about flying a huginn, rook and lachesis instead? Anyone who thinks that pilgrim is fine compared to the other force recons like rapier and falcon need their head examined.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 01:05:00 - [2] Originally by: Storm Strike Do you insist that everything be the same or just not realize that the pilgrim WAS better than the other recons in ways that make up for its flaws. Fixed. They broke pilgrim with several nerfs. Now they need to fix it. If you insist that pilgrim should do its thing (wich is basically to be a solo pvp ship to kill ratters and alike) then you need to give back some of the tools it needs for it. But dont you find it odd that this one single ship out of 8 ships doesnt fall into the pattern of how these 8 ships are designed? Combat recons get slightly more dps in trade for no cloak. This goes for all ships except pilgrim wich doesnt get the range bonus. Wouldnt you find it odd if a single interceptor was an oddball out of the 8? Like if the ares didnt get the signature bonus like all the other inties? The reason why this design was ok before for the pilgrim is because pilgrim was actually good at killing solo. Right now it isn't and because of range lacking it's worthless in gangs aswell. You sure you have flown a pilgrim lately?
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 01:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Diomidis Why are so many obsessed around the NOS-Neut range? Do you believe that this alone would fix the Pilgrim's weaknesses? What difference would it make? U would neut and make some nano-ships leave the fight? A ceptor or two maybe? WOW! what an accomplishment! You have to realize that a single medium NOS/Neut worths VERY little...surely it can scare of a frig that tries to web you or something, or might break a very weak tank or supply a bit of cap to barely systain your dps and/or tank a tad longer... Heavy Neuts are scary for medium/small ships, and that's what the Pilgrim/Curse are all about: these beast pack HEAVY neuts that consume the cap meds do, yet kill a lot more. A Pilrim without the amount bonus would do jack to a BS or even a BC class ship: the opponent could easily neut you back or simply $)&!+)$ with pure DPS, as their cap would last longer than yours, their cargo would probably hold more cap boosters etc... That's why TDs are so important, and by no way useless: at least you can disrupt some damage = gaining time = tank yourself, or even your gang mates. The only bonus the pilgrim can sacrifice is Drone dmg...it would make it a very weak ship for solo, yet Neuts and TDs are it's primary role...who needs 200-250 drone DPS ffs? But 2-3x strong hitting "heavy neuts" and 2-3x bonused TDs could turn the tide...in some cases at least... Uhm, so what's wrong with reducing the pilgrims damage so it can get the neut range bonus? It would be a cloaking gang support ship that causes alot of trouble when it decloaks, just like falcon and rapier. Not good?
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 17:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Captator curse range/neut amount bonus + another low + covops cloak =/= OP to you? I would prefer they try and fix it while maintaining its differences from the rest of the recon traits. I don't think another curse but with a cloak is a good idea, and I certainly wouldn't fly it, as most of the fun in flying a pilgrim is going toe to toe and winning. Excuse me but do you actually fly the pilgrim? Do you actually solo kill anything in that thing that you couldnt have killed in a arbitrator? And if you use it in a gang, why not just get a sentinel instead? alot cheaper.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 18:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Callyente Personally, and this is just mho, I would like to see this done to the pilgrim. Remove the damage bonus and replace it with either an armor amount bonus or armor resists bonus. That's all for it's bonuses. Then change the drone bandwidth to 125 so if can field heavies to make up for the loss of drone damage. Similar to the Ishtar. After all, it's supposed to be a drone boat too right? Along the lines of the Arbi? That's all I wanted to say. =) p.s. And yes I still have actually flown a pilgrim on multiple times. Even took out a deimos and harbi 2v1. I just think it could be better suited to the role it is put in. Close up in your face recon. But why make one of 8 recons a pure combat recon when recons obviously are very crap at combat. They get their asses handed to them by quite a large amount of ships generally. Why not just make the pilgrim a range bonused recon gang ships just like the other 7 recons?
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 18:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Captator because they keep the 2 bonuses from the t1 hull (drone damage, TD effectiveness), and giving it the range bonus when compared to the curse (range, amount) would have no value, so they opted to give it the amount bonus instead. From a purely bonus trend point of view it is logical, but the end result is a product that flies completely differently to the others. One can argue that the the t2 bonuses on the bellicose hull should be webrange/strength on huginn, and webrange/cloak on rapier. For celestis hulls, point range/damp range(or point strength) for lach and point range/cloak for arazu. Caldari recons you have a similar occurence to the pilgrim, where the t2 bonuses are strength/range on rook, and strength/cloak on falcon. Do you know why pilgrim needs that strength bonus? Because unlike long range webs, scrams and ecm, the neut/nos is a size based ew. wich means you have to give it a bonus so it can be effective enough. And you have to give it range. This is why pilgrim ends up with one less bonus basically and is doomed to suck if ccp doesn't fix that. So we need the neut amount bonus. We need a range bonus. We need the cloak bonus. One bonus left...They nerfed the drones and 5 unbonused medium drones do less damage then some inties out there. They need to switch the damage bonus to a range bonus on pilgrim and increase the drone bandwidth to compensate for the loss. This way pilgrim will get inline because you will have built in that extra bonus that was missing in this ship because of neuts being size dependent ew modules.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Methem but not be a cloaking curse. Rapier is a cloaking huginn, falcons is a cloaking rook and arazu is a cloaking lachesis. Where does all this anti cloaking curse wave come from? You anti cloak-curse then you should be anti 3 other ships that behave exactly like that too.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 19:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Captator So do you propose 100m3 bandwidth 200m3 bay and a range and amount bonus? alternatively, why not amalgamate the bonuses into one and give curse an em missile bonus (it is a khanid ship is it not?) Whatever gives pilgrim range and dps comparable to the other recons. My suggestion would do it.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 19:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Methem I think it would be overpowered. But thats my opinion, you are entitled to your own. Would a cloaking pilgrim with 40km neuts be more overpowered then a 150km jamming cloaking surprise falcon?
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.09 19:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Methem You are comparing apples and oranges. Falcon does not solo kill anything. That is because their ew has ALOT more range and is ALOT more disabling then the amarr one. In return you can solo a bit better with an amarr recon. It's balanced.

Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Erotic Irony I use my pilgrim to go to mecca But I don't want to go to mecca; I want to be as good as the other recons.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Barbens The main reason behind the last of a range bonus, is the fact that i can warp cloaked. Think about it, why do you need 40k range, when you can sneak up on them? BaRbEnS Because recons don't tank well? Why do you need 40km webs on rapier, you can sneak up on people. Why do you need 150km range on falcon, you can sneak up on people. lol?

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